tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post3783594210770881914..comments2023-11-03T12:03:01.691-07:00Comments on Surprised by Time: PS, Part Four: About DistinctionsNauplionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-10154486535351997522016-12-18T08:00:56.858-08:002016-12-18T08:00:56.858-08:00Hi I`m interested from what material were those ha...Hi I`m interested from what material were those hats made? May be felt?!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12515958421673801251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-3827174159423205862013-04-07T14:50:16.370-07:002013-04-07T14:50:16.370-07:00Very similar, but I don't think so. The West ...Very similar, but I don't think so. The West had similar hats with high tops & folded brims. The kamelaukia seem to have had ridges, like the melons for which they are named. I think they were rigid hats, & these in the fresco -- thank you for the picture -- seem soft.Nauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-76652091924305553272013-04-07T13:17:15.230-07:002013-04-07T13:17:15.230-07:00Dear Diana Gilliland Wright,
I am a History studen...Dear Diana Gilliland Wright,<br />I am a History student from Italy. First of all, thank you for your always interesting posts. I have a question to ask: are the hats worn by some of the characters of Buonamico Buffalmacco's "trionfo della morte" (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pisa,_Camposanto_trionfo_della_morte_1.JPG)kamelaukia? They look very similar to me! Thank you so much for your attention!<br />Lidia ZanettiLidia Zanettinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-38076593389882523122013-02-27T09:30:21.871-08:002013-02-27T09:30:21.871-08:00Thanks for asking. That is Carpaccio, "St. S...Thanks for asking. That is Carpaccio, "St. Stephen being consecrated as deacon." I hope this link works for you:<br /><br />http://www.wga.hu/preview/c/carpacci/4stephen/1consec.jpg<br /><br />at<br /><br />http://www.wga.hu/Nauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-3068522545147801352013-02-26T20:02:51.616-08:002013-02-26T20:02:51.616-08:00Hi: Which painting has the detail of the three men...Hi: Which painting has the detail of the three men, 2 with turbans and one "exotic" person, please. It looks like a hat on Hermes pictured on ancient greek red figure pottery (500 BC) that I am using for a sculpture. <br /><br />Thanks for your help<br /><br />Kurt<br /><br />http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/tools/pottery/painters/keypieces/redfigure/berlin.htmAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00697500555512096168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-46577171875488609422010-06-19T13:26:55.456-07:002010-06-19T13:26:55.456-07:00Another skiadion from a 15th century musical codex...Another skiadion from a 15th century musical codex.<br /><br />http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF%81%CF%87%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%BF:Ioannis_Koukouzelis.jpg<br /><br />John Koukouzelis, the saint who lived on broad beans and peas (koukia kai zelia).<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />PavlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-45067389213454867832010-06-12T13:03:36.005-07:002010-06-12T13:03:36.005-07:00Who knows. Maybe we are not that lucky to have mor...Who knows. Maybe we are not that lucky to have more art pieces survived, that could have contemporary customes depicted. <br /><br />I was trying to find out what kind of dress did the ordinary Moreot wore during the 14-16 centuries. Haven't Venetians referred in any of their archives to the dress of Greeks or Arvanites of the Peloponnesos during the years of their involvement in the things here ?Klephtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12197090787197039693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-69174810303875288312010-06-12T06:41:54.439-07:002010-06-12T06:41:54.439-07:00Terrific, thank you so much. The other skiadia pi...Terrific, thank you so much. The other skiadia picture I used is also second-half of 15thC, Cretan. Why did they paint them after it was too late?Nauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-21410114013490650902010-06-12T04:08:24.074-07:002010-06-12T04:08:24.074-07:00And this icon depicts people wearing that kind of ...And this icon depicts people wearing that kind of hats:<br /><br />http://194.177.217.107/gr/showpic.asp?picpath=12_8bit_PE-IC8-DS2-Q3&curtable=icons&currecord=12&vorder=1&vmode=first<br /><br />Its from the second half of 15th century, by an anonymous Cretan.<br /><br />http://194.177.217.107/gr/icons.asp?cursort=iconTitle&selectFieldValue=&vpage=2Klephtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12197090787197039693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-11509114812129841192010-06-12T03:16:25.675-07:002010-06-12T03:16:25.675-07:00Hello Diana,
interesting post as alway.
I though...Hello Diana,<br /><br />interesting post as alway. <br />I thought that you would find interesting some pictures from the 14th century0 illustraded Greek manuscript of the "Mythistorima tou Alexandrou" owned and preserved today by the Instituto Ellenico.<br /><br />You can find pictures that have people wearing these hats:<br /><br />http://194.177.217.107/gr/showpic.asp?gotonumber=&vmagnification=500&picpath=9999_min_01_143v&curTable=miniatures&curRecord=171&vorder=171&vmode=previous<br /><br />Greeting<br />BabisKlephtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12197090787197039693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-91378278860927519982010-06-11T15:26:38.512-07:002010-06-11T15:26:38.512-07:00I have checked the bigger picture and it is defini...I have checked the bigger picture and it is definitely a tail.<br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8Vs-_MStWMc/S7qiZanNo6I/AAAAAAAACTY/sThOLkYE24E/s1600/Both-cats.jpg<br /><br />Best regards,<br />PavlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-46310528351376195832010-06-11T09:55:06.355-07:002010-06-11T09:55:06.355-07:00That's the rest of the hind leg, I think.That's the rest of the hind leg, I think.Nauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-31012542726117498882010-06-11T09:15:18.441-07:002010-06-11T09:15:18.441-07:00Something that has just crossed my mind. What if t...Something that has just crossed my mind. What if they crossed cats? What if it is a hybrid?<br /><br /><br />Best regards,<br />PavlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-14080814839154873942010-06-11T09:08:25.413-07:002010-06-11T09:08:25.413-07:00I thought of a lynx too but I think I can see a ta...I thought of a lynx too but I think I can see a tail behind the keeper's leg. If that is a tail then it is either not a lynx or the artist had a very poor recollection of it.<br /><br />Best regards<br />PavlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-49949966125211980902010-06-11T08:28:46.979-07:002010-06-11T08:28:46.979-07:00Pavlos, your Anatolian leopard is sad. I am think...Pavlos, your Anatolian leopard is sad. I am thinking lynx now for the non-cheetah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lynx_lynx2.jpg and I should have thought of it sooner. There is a convincing leopard, far back in one of the frescos, bringing down a large animal, but I can't get a clear enough image to show.Nauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-45660025988688773962010-06-11T07:58:47.196-07:002010-06-11T07:58:47.196-07:00Wine goblet! Nice!Wine goblet! Nice!Nauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-65216621693757738702010-06-11T00:51:30.848-07:002010-06-11T00:51:30.848-07:00I checked for kamelaukion and it appears all Greek...I checked for kamelaukion and it appears all Greek dictionaries are in agreement. It comes from the late Latin camellaucium < camella = a wine goblet. So it is the wine-goblet-turned- upside-down hat.<br /><br />Best regards<br />PavlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-84728689002509153642010-06-10T15:35:00.634-07:002010-06-10T15:35:00.634-07:00I think the silvery colour and the long facial hai...I think the silvery colour and the long facial hair may indicate a snow leopard.<br />I tried to find a picture of an Anatolian leopard but it is not an easy task when the animal is, or is nearly, extinct. The best I can come up with is this leopard that swam to Samos one and a half century ago.<br /><br />http://www.espressonews.gr/files/ArticlePhotos/20091010/thumbs/kaplani_494x320.jpg<br /><br />It must have been a glorious beast once but, apart from being imperfectly stuffed, it had been shut in a cave for three months in the hope it would die from starvation. It did not, so the bravest of the villagers did.<br /><br />The hat in the penultimate picture reminds me of a woodcut of 15th c. Greeks by Erhard Reuwich. If you haven't got it I can send it.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />PavlosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3101913167226700484.post-49908955337899175132010-06-10T15:27:09.617-07:002010-06-10T15:27:09.617-07:00On rereading, I think I have found out what the ae...On rereading, I think I have found out what the aer mentioned up in the Pseudo-Kodinos is. Look at the picture of Manuel, five pictures up, with the two streamers on the back of the hat. They would work well for the aer and for the embroideries PK describes them as having.<br />DGWNauplionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598950480737808706noreply@blogger.com